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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pig, Keith or Brent

So, I have enjoyed your little 'debate' you've had going on around here, 'discussing' the various eras, and your favorite stuff.

Anyway, we've had discussions like this on Deadhook, and in the past they've been about whose your favorite guy in the hot seat. After a good and lengthly discussion, we concluded that most people prefer either Pig, Keith or Brent (can't think of anyone who said Vince, sorry) depending on WHO was in the seat when they started to listen. So if your first show was in '70, Pig's your guy. If it was '86, Brent. Anyway, remember I said most.

Anyone feel like their favorite doesn't follow that logic?
(And as we say to the kids in my school... 'fight fair'). :)

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Dec 9, 2006 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

I am an unabashed Pigpen fan since the first time I saw his pigness in '67. BUT, aside from his early funky organ--well, he's just not my keyboard man. T.C. was a better choice--made dark star come into the light. But Keith--Keith changed the band more than any other player. Listen to them in early 1971 and then fall of 1971. Watch them transform and blossom into a monster in the fall of 72. Then watch them fade for a while after Keith lost himself in drugs--post 77.

But in all other ways, it was Pig. It was always Pig.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 8, 2006 8:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

Saw Keith first, but without a doubt, TC is my choice in terms of what he brought musically, Pig for what he brought in other aspects (soul, what have you).

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Dec 9, 2006 12:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

(Hey why not "Pig, Keith, Brent or Vince" thread, LOL!)

If you mean what they added to the band, well then Pigpen obviously would be my favorite.

If strictly as keyboard players then Kieth would be my favorite. Sure he wasn't consistent in the end but at least he didn't sing or bring 'his songs' to the mix.

Brent played some decent organ but I hated his voice and 'tunes' , sorry.

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Poster: bertha45891 Date: Dec 9, 2006 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

Keith by far i think it was because of the whole donna thing.

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Poster: north bound train Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

I saw Brent first, but I love the sound of the grand piano.

1973-1977 is my personal favorite (operative word personal), but if you look at what I've gathered, there's a lot of Brent in there too! The band really smoked with him.

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Poster: Matt_C Date: Dec 8, 2006 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

i just really like pig, two souls in communion, it hurts me too...does your offer about5/19/77 still stand?

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

matt, just e-mail me your address, and you've got a copy coming. :)
dancinbears4me@yahoo.com

This post was modified by Dancinbears on 2006-12-09 03:08:22

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

5/19/77?????

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

why dire, would you like a copy too? I actually have been working on sending you something after you news about your leg. :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

i dont think i have that one - not on my list - but i really should make doubly sure before i flap my jaws - i really was being kinda brat just then. why, what were you working on???? now im curious??

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

Do you have 8-6-74? I've got it complete...SBD!!
2-13-70, same thing! 2 of my faves! I was also goina send you a copy of the Phil & friends show I attended this summer... 7-1-06. It rocks!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

i do have 8/6/74 but no 2/13/70 which would be awesome!!!! I have precious little of 1970. Ive only sent you one so far, so that show would be fine in and of itself.

very cool my friend

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

oh Dire, I trade way to much to worry about disk for disk... I'm not like that. It pains my heart when I come across someone who doesn't have their own copy of a show they want... or in this case of these 2 dates, of shows everyone should have! So many people just mail me shows once I post up on 'searching for the sound' forum on 'hook. I'm just giving back. :)
what else are you looking for?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 8, 2006 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

i dont even know anymore - ive been inundated lately between mailing tons out and receiving tons in - i need scuba gear just to take a breath. the 70 show you mentioned sounds great at the moment. other than that - i am clueless at the given moment, but i am sure there are others i need, just not coming to mind right now. know what i mean??? i sure do appreciate the offer though - we'll be in tough even when you start the job - we have each other's email and still can trade :) hope you wont totally forget about us when you venture into your new career.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

After all the trouble I went thru to convince all you guys to let me post here, do you really think I would up and leave completely??? you'd miss me too much! :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 8, 2006 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

so true (sigh)

i was hoping you'd say that (another long sigh)

you'd miss me too much anyways - just admit it ;)

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Dec 8, 2006 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

ok it's true.... no gloating! :)
I actually would miss everyone.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 9, 2006 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

Brent was in the chair for my first show 10/8/83.

However, Keith is my favorite, although for whatever reason I don't think he was as good after the mid 70s break. 72-74 and 77 are my favorie years. Also am partial to'69 and to '81, which doesn't get a lot of attention in the "great years" debates.

Pig I think of more as a vocalist/harmonica guy. I know he played keys but I don't think he added much there.

Each era was different. I think all had something to offer except the last several years. '92-'95 gets little to no play time for me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 9, 2006 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

I think you're right about Keith; now that I am listening to more 72 and 73, I really like his piano (right, that is what he is playing? I really am clueless about these different keyboards though I recognize organ from the others) during some of the DS/jams from those two years, and then don't seem to find him doing as much in the 77 and 78 shows (and didn't notice him live in those two years when I saw a lot of shows). I think someone posted that he is 'down in the mix' in those latter years too...?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 10, 2006 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

I don't know what was going on w/him circa '77-'78 but he doesn't seem as active or inventive (a lot of times he basically just duplicates Jerry's leads). A few shows he hardly seems to be playing at all. This could be related to the mix, though...I'd not noticed him being down in the mix in general during this time but it's possible. It would be interesting to compare.

I do know he and Donna were having a lot of personal and drug problems in the late 70s...maybe he just lost interest(?)

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

They all have their fortes really. I got on the bus when the Dead came through L.A. the first time with Brent so I'm kinda partial to him. I was really shaken when we lost him. I love the "chimey" keys he had in the 83-84 period but his voice really kicked in in the later 80's. I think he was the most well-rounded of them all. Keith was his best from his onset through not long after the 77. I loved his jazzy approach in the 73-74 era. Truly stellar. I did get tired of his mostly "piano only" approach live after 76. I love all of what Pid did; the element he added was amazing. I really wish I would have been old enough to experience him for myself. But from a technical standpoint he wasn't as strong as Keith & Brent. No one's mentioned T.C. He really filled a void nicely during the time old Piggers began to fade. My $.02

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 8, 2006 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

I would go with Brent. But I do think Bruce has to be included somehow. Just for the fact that he pretty much saved the band not to even mention his playing

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Dec 8, 2006 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

My first show was Englishtown in '77 and I saw the boys regularly til the end. I saw about 25 shows with Keith, yet my favorite keyboardist was Brent, in general and from Fall '79 to fall '83 with a resurrgence from '87 on.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Dec 8, 2006 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

It's like the James Bond question.

Brent. March 81 to Oct 82. Best period, ever.

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Poster: atbdog Date: Dec 8, 2006 6:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pig, Keith or Brent

Brent late 80's was spectacular! Back up vocals and overall energy so he gets my vote.